QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Brock Purdy is def the topic.. My post and your biased admitted post show you are unable to evaluate QBs

i turn that around on you. i think the whole football universe says brock and the other guy aren't in the same sentence. i get that. you struggle with it. you act like they are equals. that's your moving posts and not being able to evaluate the position. you struggle to evaluate cuz you got the rose glasses on for the 49ers. that's fine, you can homer, but just don't tell me jennings is better than chase. i'll disagree with you every time when you pull stuff like that

Not sure why some of you guys struggle to understand the reason Mahomes is brought up in these posts. Nobody is saying they're the same QB and I feel like you know it. Playing that card just so you can ignore the obvious point being made is not it.

If the best in the game can look bad with inferior OL play or missing players on offense then why are we shocked when Brock who clearly isn't the talent that Mahomes is struggled in similar situations?

Originally posted by genus49:
If the best in the game can look bad with inferior OL play .....

...during a 17-2 year? We're going to harp on 1 last game against the best defense and best team in the league? And this somehow makes a case to explain Brock -- a guy that is nowhere in his zip code, athletically or historically?

We understand "why" he can be brought up. It just doesn't make any sense in explaining our abysmal performance while limping to 6-11. There's just no connection at all, but by all means, you can keep making the point.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Draft position is irrelevant at this point. It isn't a negotiation factor.

Brock was arguably the best deep ball passer in 2023. Your opinion on his arm is garbage.

i watched 2024 and he was just doing floaters all season. this was confirmed by at least a dozen or more posters in here all saying the same thing, that his arm is off or he's got less on the ball. so i felt that way, and probably 20 or more separate posters all confirmed it. ppl even said maybe he's injured or something is wrong medically. that's how poor his passes were in terms of really throwing with some heat on it.

I've asked you this a number of times…give me one play where his arm held the offense back due to lack of arm strength.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Gotta love the 49ers negotiating against themselves, AGAIN.
Purdy on the open market doesn't even get close to a baker mayfield type contract. Last year was bad AND he's injury prone.

fans look at 2023 and ba was cooking ppl, kittle was a force, CMC had a saquon style year, trent was best LT in the game, kyle on the playsheet, and they think oh brock did that.

Brock literally did that…we don't make it to the SB without him.

Also saying Trent is the best LT in the game as if there aren't 4 other guys on the line is something. Bottom 10 OL with Trent on it…

just my way of saying he had very large amounts of help in 23. 2024 can be viewed as an experiment in what happens when you subtract some of the pieces.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Draft position is irrelevant at this point. It isn't a negotiation factor.

Brock was arguably the best deep ball passer in 2023. Your opinion on his arm is garbage.

i watched 2024 and he was just doing floaters all season. this was confirmed by at least a dozen or more posters in here all saying the same thing, that his arm is off or he's got less on the ball. so i felt that way, and probably 20 or more separate posters all confirmed it. ppl even said maybe he's injured or something is wrong medically. that's how poor his passes were in terms of really throwing with some heat on it.

I've asked you this a number of times…give me one play where his arm held the offense back due to lack of arm strength.

i answered that question a long while back i mentioned the final play of the miami game where he does a lil throw to the flat and it's a floater and should be pick 6 to holland. that is a one play example. it's just common sense, the more time the ball is in air, the more time the d can read and react and make a play on it. he has to chuck with a lot of anticipation cuz he doesn't have the driver in his bag so to speak. we all kinda know that just from watching. nothing new here. i think he made a ton of sense at 900k, i don't know if i see the thesis at 300m or some of the numbers being discussed.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Draft position is irrelevant at this point. It isn't a negotiation factor.

Brock was arguably the best deep ball passer in 2023. Your opinion on his arm is garbage.

i watched 2024 and he was just doing floaters all season. this was confirmed by at least a dozen or more posters in here all saying the same thing, that his arm is off or he's got less on the ball. so i felt that way, and probably 20 or more separate posters all confirmed it. ppl even said maybe he's injured or something is wrong medically. that's how poor his passes were in terms of really throwing with some heat on it.

I was finally able to go to a game this year, which was the rams game in the rain. His arm sucks. It was really evident live, and when comparing it to stafford. And don't get me started on that interception in the end zone

Stafford played way worse in that game. You were there and still don't know what you're watching? Literally Stafford wasn't doing a thing until Greenlaw went out of the game and we started having breakdowns in coverage.

And that interception was him throwing with anticipation when he was pressured and JJ got interfered with without a call coming in. Had nothing to do with his lack of arm.

This is why I keep asking some of you guys to bring up specific plays showing his lack of arm being a problem. You mentioned a play that isn't related to arm strength. Gotta realize when it's an arm limitation issue and when it's something different.

Brock understands his arm well. Jimmy thought his arm was a lot better than it was an we had many a play where he'd make a throw he had no business making for terrible results.

Originally posted by random49er:

He's a very accomplished QB,...lol. I dont really get how bringing up guys like Mahomes or Brady add ANYTHING to the discussion.

Let's bring up guys that are more around Brock's current level?

I didn't bring Mahomes into the convo, nor did I compare the 2 in any way. What are you crying about now?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Best guess:
He'll average $50-$55 million like Lawrence, Love, Hurts, Goff, Jackson, Hebert anf Burrow and somewhere between 160 and 200 will be guaranteed over 5 years.

I still think he gets $60M. $50M would be a massive win and I'm signing him for as many years as possible if he's content with that salary. $50M is going to look like pennies in three years—it won't even be a 10-highest paid QB salary come the start of this next season.

i think he would struggle to get paid on the FA market. ppl would say he's undersized, with arm limitations and would prefer a rookie or a cheap more toolsy reclamation project. we are bidding ourselves into irrelevance.

Same could be said for Love, Goff or Lawrence. Good QBs don't hit the FA market.

The threat of a Franchise Tag for 2 years straight kinda helps with that. So yea. Players (QBs in particular) are much more likely to give in and take less money. In our current state, Brock's not hitting FA until 2028...and that's with NO new contract.

QB franchise tag is like $42 million that goes right to the cap hit, it will be even higher in 2026.

49ers have about $17 million in cap space in 2026.

Yes the team can leverage the franchise tag but Brock's agents aren't stupid. They know the 49ers cap situation and a long term deal is smarter for both sides. It gives Brock security heading into this season and it gives the 49ers ability to spread the cap hits around the way they want to build the team around him.

Originally posted by genus49:
QB franchise tag is like $42 million that goes right to the cap hit, it will be even higher in 2026.

49ers have about $17 million in cap space in 2026.

Yes the team can leverage the franchise tag but Brock's agents aren't stupid. They know the 49ers cap situation and a long term deal is smarter for both sides. It gives Brock security heading into this season and it gives the 49ers ability to spread the cap hits around the way they want to build the team around him.

yes the tag is not tenable or realistic. there is a reason no nfl team is tagging their QB. you just don't see it. tag you will just pay a lot more in cap hit. it does leave both the club and player in a limbo situation with no long term deal in place. just kicks the can down the road. no one should want to see the franchise tag in this situation.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
If the best in the game can look bad with inferior OL play .....

...during a 17-2 year? We're going to harp on 1 last game against the best defense and best team in the league? And this somehow makes a case to explain Brock -- a guy that is nowhere in his zip code, athletically or historically?

We understand "why" he can be brought up. It just doesn't make any sense in explaining our abysmal performance while limping to 6-11. There's just no connection at all, but by all means, you can keep making the point.

Yes we are and we've done it for several months here you just didn't want to hear it because you're doing the same thing Faithful is doing.

This isn't me speaking as a mod but you gotta stop your "I'm superior than you" type of posting. As I said before when other people are understanding the points being made even if you don't…that's a you issue.

Bringing up a team record and then claiming a comparison between a QB of a 17-3 vs a 6-11 team has no connection is ridiculous.

Mahomes had his worst season by virtually every metric out there. The Chiefs weren't 17-3(not sure why you forgot that last game) all because of Mahomes. They literally won games because of their defense or special teams making huge plays. They won games simply because the other team couldn't execute a normal snap.

To sit here and pretend we can't bring up Mahomes struggling per his own standards when things aren't going great to make an obvious point that it can happen to any QB is perfectly fine.

You just don't want to hear it so here you are ignoring the whole point to grab a single thread to pull in another condescending direction again.

Try offering up something to this forum which isn't basically just lecturing other posters. Put yourself out there and actually make a post with your own opinion vs just attacking other people's opinions.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
QB franchise tag is like $42 million that goes right to the cap hit, it will be even higher in 2026.

49ers have about $17 million in cap space in 2026.

Yes the team can leverage the franchise tag but Brock's agents aren't stupid. They know the 49ers cap situation and a long term deal is smarter for both sides. It gives Brock security heading into this season and it gives the 49ers ability to spread the cap hits around the way they want to build the team around him.

yes the tag is not tenable or realistic. there is a reason no nfl team is tagging their QB. you just don't see it. tag you will just pay a lot more in cap hit. it does leave both the club and player in a limbo situation with no long term deal in place. just kicks the can down the road. no one should want to see the franchise tag in this situation.

haha dont be fooled, though. It was put in place to squeeze QBs into submission. Seemingly making sense for both sides is exactly why it's there,...not to necessarily be used. But I mean,....it will be used if it has to.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Best guess:
He'll average $50-$55 million like Lawrence, Love, Hurts, Goff, Jackson, Hebert anf Burrow and somewhere between 160 and 200 will be guaranteed over 5 years.

In Cap hits? Cause pretty much all of those contracts are diff.

That will get worked out, it varies so much year to year. Like Goff, $32 in 2025 and then $60 in 2026.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2025/position/qb/sort/cap_total

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Best guess:
He'll average $50-$55 million like Lawrence, Love, Hurts, Goff, Jackson, Hebert anf Burrow and somewhere between 160 and 200 will be guaranteed over 5 years.

I still think he gets $60M. $50M would be a massive win and I'm signing him for as many years as possible if he's content with that salary. $50M is going to look like pennies in three years—it won't even be a 10-highest paid QB salary come the start of this next season.

i think he would struggle to get paid on the FA market. ppl would say he's undersized, with arm limitations and would prefer a rookie or a cheap more toolsy reclamation project. we are bidding ourselves into irrelevance.

Same could be said for Love, Goff or Lawrence. Good QBs don't hit the FA market.

The threat of a Franchise Tag for 2 years straight kinda helps with that. So yea. Players (QBs in particular) are much more likely to give in and take less money. In our current state, Brock's not hitting FA until 2028...and that's with NO new contract.

I don't think a franchise tag is likely. I think he'll sign this offseason.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
Gotta love the 49ers negotiating against themselves, AGAIN.
Purdy on the open market doesn't even get close to a baker mayfield type contract. Last year was bad AND he's injury prone.

fans look at 2023 and ba was cooking ppl, kittle was a force, CMC had a saquon style year, trent was best LT in the game, kyle on the playsheet, and they think oh brock did that.

Brock literally did that…we don't make it to the SB without him.

Also saying Trent is the best LT in the game as if there aren't 4 other guys on the line is something. Bottom 10 OL with Trent on it…

just my way of saying he had very large amounts of help in 23. 2024 can be viewed as an experiment in what happens when you subtract some of the pieces.

He had large amounts of help yes but he also had a very poor OL during that year. Many QBs would've failed in that situation even with all the skill position guys.

2024 was a total team failure. When you have like 3-4 players who you can really say didn't regress from the year before - JJ, Kittle, Lenoir and McKivitz how do you expect a young QB to raise his game to a level that's not seen as regression?

Jalen Hurts didn't have a good regular season. You had AJ Brown calling out the passing game when they already clinched the playoffs. That was him with a great OL, dominant running game and terrific group of pass catchers around him.

He had a great playoff run and got the SB MVP and nobody cares. All because his team really put it all together and stayed healthy down the home stretch. Now I see people putting him in top 5 QB talks after the guy failed to get 3k yards passing on the season.

Nobody cares about his pieces during those talks.

Originally posted by genus49:
Yes we are and we've done it for several months here you just didn't want to hear it because you're doing the same thing Faithful is doing.

This isn't me speaking as a mod but you gotta stop your "I'm superior than you" type of posting. As I said before when other people are understanding the points being made even if you don't…that's a you issue.

I made no comments about you or I. Let's leave the character of you and I out of it and get to the points made: (17-2 before the loss you brought up, 3 rings, coming off 2 consecutive ones, an awesome playmaker, high 1st rd pick, et. al. There's NO WAY we can take his situation and somehow apply it to ours. The points made here are certainly superior in explaining why it's not relatable)

Originally posted by genus49:

Mahomes had his worst season by virtually every metric out there. The Chiefs weren't 17-3(not sure why you forgot that last game) all because of Mahomes.

It's my way of spelling out the body of work before the loss. I mean virtually anything can happen in 1 football game.

17-2 after 2 rings kinda puts his situation in entirely another zip code when we're talking about our SEASON with Brock.

Meanwhile, who's focusing on one game for us this year? #BodyOfWork

To try to magnify 1 game - the SB no less - and somehow apply to us is just crazy.

Originally posted by genus49:

To sit here and pretend we can't bring up Mahomes struggling per his own standards when things aren't going great to make an obvious point that it can happen to any QB is perfectly fine.

What's wrong with bringing him up? I'm specifically referring to taking that last game and trying do a "see? toldja so!" from it regarding our YEAR (not a game). It makes no sense on so many levels,...and I've explained why.

I mean it's a cool playing card and all,...it just aint applicable to us right now.

Same sh** a few days about about whether or not we should get a "Brady discount." Huh??? Brock'd better get every dime and nickel he can because again -- 2 completely separate situations with next to no parallels.